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you're doing it right now and you have you're doing it right now and you have for your entire life but there's a good for your entire life but there's a good for your entire life but there's a good chance you're doing it wrong or could do chance you're doing it wrong or could do chance you're doing it wrong or could do it better it better it better we're talking about breathing we're talking about breathing we're talking about breathing that's what today's guest is going to that's what today's guest is going to that's what today's guest is going to enlighten us about his name is dan voss enlighten us about his name is dan voss enlighten us about his name is dan voss and he's the host of a new way of living and he's the host of a new way of living and he's the host of a new way of living podcast as well as a coach in the ways podcast as well as a coach in the ways podcast as well as a coach in the ways of breath work and cold therapy coming of breath work and cold therapy coming of breath work and cold therapy coming up today on the fit mess just being able up today on the fit mess just being able up today on the fit mess just being able to be more aware and more present by to be more aware and more present by to be more aware and more present by literally bringing it back to our breath literally bringing it back to our breath literally bringing it back to our breath which is so fundamental to which is so fundamental to which is so fundamental to being a human it's more than just being a human it's more than just being a human it's more than just staying alive and it's more than just staying alive and it's more than just staying alive and it's more than just what we did when we first entered this what we did when we first entered this what we did when we first entered this this world it's really more about this world it's really more about this world it's really more about maximizing our our life that's dan voss maximizing our our life that's dan voss maximizing our our life that's dan voss he's the founder of nova now mindset he's the founder of nova now mindset he's the founder of nova now mindset emotional health and breathwork coaching emotional health and breathwork coaching emotional health and breathwork coaching he's also the host of the podcast a new he's also the host of the podcast a new he's also the host of the podcast a new way of living today we'll talk to him way of living today we'll talk to him way of living today we'll talk to him about why breath work and cold exposure about why breath work and cold exposure about why breath work and cold exposure are two ways you can milk the out are two ways you can milk the out are two ways you can milk the out of life but first i'm jeremy and i'm of life but first i'm jeremy and i'm of life but first i'm jeremy and i'm zach we've spent years pushing ourselves zach we've spent years pushing ourselves zach we've spent years pushing ourselves to learn more about our own physical
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to learn more about our own physical to learn more about our own physical emotional and mental health and picked emotional and mental health and picked emotional and mental health and picked up a few coaching certificates along the up a few coaching certificates along the up a few coaching certificates along the way but really we're two guys who got way but really we're two guys who got way but really we're two guys who got sick of our own and started making sick of our own and started making sick of our own and started making changes to be healthier happier and live changes to be healthier happier and live changes to be healthier happier and live more meaningful lives and each week we more meaningful lives and each week we more meaningful lives and each week we talk to world-class experts with advice talk to world-class experts with advice talk to world-class experts with advice to help you to help you to help you do the same zack you already said what do the same zack you already said what do the same zack you already said what is probably my favorite part of this is probably my favorite part of this is probably my favorite part of this interview we're about to hear tell me interview we're about to hear tell me interview we're about to hear tell me more about milking the out of life more about milking the out of life more about milking the out of life how do i do that how do i do that how do i do that oh if i could tell you i'd be a rich man oh if i could tell you i'd be a rich man oh if i could tell you i'd be a rich man but but but i think you know breathwork and cold i think you know breathwork and cold i think you know breathwork and cold therapy is therapy is therapy is is is definitely is is definitely is is definitely one of the things that will let you milk one of the things that will let you milk one of the things that will let you milk the out of life i just love that the out of life i just love that the out of life i just love that phrase i really want to put it on a phrase i really want to put it on a phrase i really want to put it on a poster we are we're totally going to poster we are we're totally going to poster we are we're totally going to steal it and we're not going to give dan steal it and we're not going to give dan steal it and we're not going to give dan any credit even though he's the one any credit even though he's the one any credit even though he's the one that's about to say it in a few minutes that's about to say it in a few minutes that's about to say it in a few minutes but yeah breath working cold therapy are but yeah breath working cold therapy are but yeah breath working cold therapy are two just absolutely essential parts of two just absolutely essential parts of two just absolutely essential parts of my tool kit whenever i you know bother my tool kit whenever i you know bother my tool kit whenever i you know bother to get out the tools and play with them to get out the tools and play with them to get out the tools and play with them and i was actually was making a list the and i was actually was making a list the and i was actually was making a list the other day of all the things that that i other day of all the things that that i other day of all the things that that i want more of in my life and cold therapy want more of in my life and cold therapy want more of in my life and cold therapy was on top of the list is i i want more was on top of the list is i i want more was on top of the list is i i want more of it because it just
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of it because it just of it because it just it improves everything every time i go it improves everything every time i go it improves everything every time i go drop my body in some freezing cold lake drop my body in some freezing cold lake drop my body in some freezing cold lake or river or some natural body of water or river or some natural body of water or river or some natural body of water i come out feeling incredibly better i come out feeling incredibly better i come out feeling incredibly better there are just so many there are just so many there are just so many physiological benefits to it there are physiological benefits to it there are physiological benefits to it there are so many just spiritual and just so many just spiritual and just so many just spiritual and just mood benefits to it that i i can't get mood benefits to it that i i can't get mood benefits to it that i i can't get enough of it and i hope that you'll hear enough of it and i hope that you'll hear enough of it and i hope that you'll hear today some of the reasons why if you're today some of the reasons why if you're today some of the reasons why if you're not doing it you should add it to to not doing it you should add it to to not doing it you should add it to to your daily routine your daily routine your daily routine yeah and i think even just beyond that yeah and i think even just beyond that yeah and i think even just beyond that like we touch on in the interview the like we touch on in the interview the like we touch on in the interview the discipline of it right if you can just discipline of it right if you can just discipline of it right if you can just do that one thing with cold therapy you do that one thing with cold therapy you do that one thing with cold therapy you just apply that to everything else like just apply that to everything else like just apply that to everything else like if you don't want to do something you if you don't want to do something you if you don't want to do something you don't think you can do something don't think you can do something don't think you can do something yeah you can yeah you can yeah you can i literally did that really do it i i literally did that really do it i i literally did that really do it i literally did that i was at the dentist literally did that i was at the dentist literally did that i was at the dentist yesterday and and they're like you know yesterday and and they're like you know yesterday and and they're like you know they're getting me all prepared oh it's they're getting me all prepared oh it's they're getting me all prepared oh it's gonna hurt a little bit and it's gonna gonna hurt a little bit and it's gonna gonna hurt a little bit and it's gonna be a thing and i literally in my mind be a thing and i literally in my mind be a thing and i literally in my mind went went went i've i've been in the snow like without i've i've been in the snow like without i've i've been in the snow like without clothes on i can handle an injection clothes on i can handle an injection clothes on i can handle an injection like i literally called back to that
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like i literally called back to that like i literally called back to that piece of evidence that i can do hard piece of evidence that i can do hard piece of evidence that i can do hard things so i have no problem you know things so i have no problem you know things so i have no problem you know having you numb my face for two seconds having you numb my face for two seconds having you numb my face for two seconds this is no big deal it's it's incredible this is no big deal it's it's incredible this is no big deal it's it's incredible how many of those little moments that how many of those little moments that how many of those little moments that otherwise could be super otherwise could be super otherwise could be super anxiety-inducing anxiety-inducing anxiety-inducing or make you just overthink and worry or make you just overthink and worry or make you just overthink and worry when you can call back points in your when you can call back points in your when you can call back points in your life where you've done hard things life where you've done hard things life where you've done hard things especially if you did it this morning especially if you did it this morning especially if you did it this morning it makes those little things throughout it makes those little things throughout it makes those little things throughout your day so much easier to overcome your day so much easier to overcome your day so much easier to overcome yeah one of my favorite yoga teachers yeah one of my favorite yoga teachers yeah one of my favorite yoga teachers cassie cassie cassie there's this one phrase she says all the there's this one phrase she says all the there's this one phrase she says all the time during class we'll be doing like time during class we'll be doing like time during class we'll be doing like planks or like something really hard planks or like something really hard planks or like something really hard and then we'll move on and then we'll and then we'll move on and then we'll and then we'll move on and then we'll come back to that same movement again come back to that same movement again come back to that same movement again and she just says this phrase of we've and she just says this phrase of we've and she just says this phrase of we've been here before been here before been here before yeah and then and that actually like yeah and then and that actually like yeah and then and that actually like plays through my head occasionally when plays through my head occasionally when plays through my head occasionally when i'm doing things like cold therapy or i'm doing things like cold therapy or i'm doing things like cold therapy or breath work or something like that breath work or something like that breath work or something like that yes i've been there before yes i've been there before yes i've been there before and yes i got through it i didn't die and yes i got through it i didn't die and yes i got through it i didn't die and i actually got you know ended up and i actually got you know ended up and i actually got you know ended up like being better at the end of it so
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like being better at the end of it so like being better at the end of it so yeah the discipline of this is just yeah the discipline of this is just yeah the discipline of this is just amazing and breath work i think is amazing and breath work i think is amazing and breath work i think is different i mean there's definitely as different i mean there's definitely as different i mean there's definitely as we'll talk about in a few minutes there we'll talk about in a few minutes there we'll talk about in a few minutes there are some hurdles to the setup of when are some hurdles to the setup of when are some hurdles to the setup of when you're told how long you're going to do you're told how long you're going to do you're told how long you're going to do it and what your body's going to do in it and what your body's going to do in it and what your body's going to do in reaction to it reaction to it reaction to it there's parts of that where again you there's parts of that where again you there's parts of that where again you need to sort of remember you can do hard need to sort of remember you can do hard need to sort of remember you can do hard things things things but it is such a different practice it but it is such a different practice it but it is such a different practice it is a very healing practice in a lot of is a very healing practice in a lot of is a very healing practice in a lot of ways i i will never forget when i got my ways i i will never forget when i got my ways i i will never forget when i got my second covid vaccine second covid vaccine second covid vaccine that was the the only one i really had that was the the only one i really had that was the the only one i really had any sort of physical reaction to where i any sort of physical reaction to where i any sort of physical reaction to where i didn't feel i started feeling kind of didn't feel i started feeling kind of didn't feel i started feeling kind of fluish and felt kind of crappy and i fluish and felt kind of crappy and i fluish and felt kind of crappy and i went and did some breath work for like went and did some breath work for like went and did some breath work for like 40 minutes and by the end of it i was 40 minutes and by the end of it i was 40 minutes and by the end of it i was 100 better like whatever side effects i 100 better like whatever side effects i 100 better like whatever side effects i was having i kicked them literally by was having i kicked them literally by was having i kicked them literally by laying down and breathing the way i was laying down and breathing the way i was laying down and breathing the way i was told to for 40 minutes told to for 40 minutes told to for 40 minutes now sure it is entirely possible that now sure it is entirely possible that now sure it is entirely possible that had done nothing my body might have also had done nothing my body might have also had done nothing my body might have also just gone oh we got this and dealt with just gone oh we got this and dealt with just gone oh we got this and dealt with the side effects but but i truly believe the side effects but but i truly believe the side effects but but i truly believe that what i did through that act of that what i did through that act of that what i did through that act of breathing helped me get through that and
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breathing helped me get through that and breathing helped me get through that and i've used it in other ways when i've i've used it in other ways when i've i've used it in other ways when i've gotten sick to just get through stuff gotten sick to just get through stuff gotten sick to just get through stuff faster and every time i don't regret it faster and every time i don't regret it faster and every time i don't regret it because i i'm certain that i that i get because i i'm certain that i that i get because i i'm certain that i that i get through through through those illnesses and those bad those illnesses and those bad those illnesses and those bad experiences faster because of the experiences faster because of the experiences faster because of the breathing breathing breathing so i think breath work is is one of so i think breath work is is one of so i think breath work is is one of those things where those things where those things where you can do it every day you can do it you can do it every day you can do it you can do it every day you can do it every hour there's always an opportunity every hour there's always an opportunity every hour there's always an opportunity for it like it's not like you know cold for it like it's not like you know cold for it like it's not like you know cold therapy where you have to go find the therapy where you have to go find the therapy where you have to go find the water to get into or the cryo chamber to water to get into or the cryo chamber to water to get into or the cryo chamber to get into get into get into breathing is just one of those things breathing is just one of those things breathing is just one of those things you can do every single day to really you can do every single day to really you can do every single day to really help your immune system and help your help your immune system and help your help your immune system and help your body and and to be you know just fully body and and to be you know just fully body and and to be you know just fully functional and milk the out of life functional and milk the out of life functional and milk the out of life that's right that's right but the other that's right that's right but the other that's right that's right but the other thing you can do to milk the out of thing you can do to milk the out of thing you can do to milk the out of life is to make sure your body has all life is to make sure your body has all life is to make sure your body has all the nutrients it really needs and that's the nutrients it really needs and that's the nutrients it really needs and that's why i take athletic greens i started why i take athletic greens i started why i take athletic greens i started taking athletic greens because i really taking athletic greens because i really taking athletic greens because i really needed to have needed to have needed to have a supplement that tasted great gave me a supplement that tasted great gave me a supplement that tasted great gave me all the things that i needed and i all the things that i needed and i all the things that i needed and i didn't want to have to take 10 pills a didn't want to have to take 10 pills a didn't want to have to take 10 pills a day or spend all of my time cooking all
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day or spend all of my time cooking all day or spend all of my time cooking all the meals i try and get my nutrients the meals i try and get my nutrients the meals i try and get my nutrients from food but let's face it we don't get from food but let's face it we don't get from food but let's face it we don't get everything we need every day from food everything we need every day from food everything we need every day from food so athletic greens was a great solution so athletic greens was a great solution so athletic greens was a great solution for me it tastes great gives me for me it tastes great gives me for me it tastes great gives me everything i need for more energy better everything i need for more energy better everything i need for more energy better gut health optimized immune system it gut health optimized immune system it gut health optimized immune system it has less than a gram of sugar and has less than a gram of sugar and has less than a gram of sugar and there's no nasty chemicals or artificial there's no nasty chemicals or artificial there's no nasty chemicals or artificial anything and it actually does taste good anything and it actually does taste good anything and it actually does taste good and for what you get it's less than and for what you get it's less than and for what you get it's less than three dollars a day and right now is the three dollars a day and right now is the three dollars a day and right now is the time to incorporate better health and time to incorporate better health and time to incorporate better health and athletic greens is a perfect start to athletic greens is a perfect start to athletic greens is a perfect start to make it easy athletic greens is going to make it easy athletic greens is going to make it easy athletic greens is going to give you a free one-year supply of give you a free one-year supply of give you a free one-year supply of immune supporting vitamin d and five immune supporting vitamin d and five immune supporting vitamin d and five free travel packs with your first free travel packs with your first free travel packs with your first purchase all you have to do is visit purchase all you have to do is visit purchase all you have to do is visit athleticgreens.com athleticgreens.com athleticgreens.com fitmess again that's athleticgreens.com fitmess again that's athleticgreens.com fitmess again that's athleticgreens.com fitmess to take ownership over your fitmess to take ownership over your fitmess to take ownership over your health and pick up the ultimate daily health and pick up the ultimate daily health and pick up the ultimate daily nutritional insurance that link will be nutritional insurance that link will be nutritional insurance that link will be on the show notes and it's plastered all on the show notes and it's plastered all on the show notes and it's plastered all over our website at thefitmast.com all over our website at thefitmast.com all over our website at thefitmast.com all right as we've mentioned our guest today right as we've mentioned our guest today right as we've mentioned our guest today is dan voss he is the founder of nova is dan voss he is the founder of nova is dan voss he is the founder of nova now mindset emotional health and breath now mindset emotional health and breath now mindset emotional health and breath work coaching he's also hosted the
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work coaching he's also hosted the work coaching he's also hosted the podcast a new way of living and we podcast a new way of living and we podcast a new way of living and we started by just asking him about why started by just asking him about why started by just asking him about why breath work is really so much more than breath work is really so much more than breath work is really so much more than the breathing you do every day that just the breathing you do every day that just the breathing you do every day that just keeps you alive yeah i love how you keeps you alive yeah i love how you keeps you alive yeah i love how you phrase that that there's more to it than phrase that that there's more to it than phrase that that there's more to it than just keeping ourselves alive and just keeping ourselves alive and just keeping ourselves alive and when i tell people that i am a breath or when i tell people that i am a breath or when i tell people that i am a breath or coach and then i have you know been coach and then i have you know been coach and then i have you know been certified in breathwork training and certified in breathwork training and certified in breathwork training and coaching coaching coaching that's kind of the first thing that that's kind of the first thing that that's kind of the first thing that comes up is like i've been breathing my comes up is like i've been breathing my comes up is like i've been breathing my entire life entire life entire life it's the first thing that i i did when i it's the first thing that i i did when i it's the first thing that i i did when i entered this world is take a breath and entered this world is take a breath and entered this world is take a breath and it's the last thing we do when we leave it's the last thing we do when we leave it's the last thing we do when we leave this earth is take our final breath this earth is take our final breath this earth is take our final breath but there's so much more to it there in but there's so much more to it there in but there's so much more to it there in between those two phases of life between those two phases of life between those two phases of life and what's really interesting to me is and what's really interesting to me is and what's really interesting to me is that we go most of our lives without that we go most of our lives without that we go most of our lives without learning about any of this learning about any of this learning about any of this you know the importance of intentional you know the importance of intentional you know the importance of intentional breathing the optimal way of breathing breathing the optimal way of breathing breathing the optimal way of breathing how to breathe efficiently and how to breathe efficiently and how to breathe efficiently and effectively effectively effectively and for some people they go much later and for some people they go much later and for some people they go much later in their life when they start learning in their life when they start learning in their life when they start learning about this you know i'm 30 right now so about this you know i'm 30 right now so about this you know i'm 30 right now so i'm blessed to have learned about this i'm blessed to have learned about this i'm blessed to have learned about this in my my late 20s is when i kind of in my my late 20s is when i kind of in my my late 20s is when i kind of started started picking it up
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started started picking it up started started picking it up but what's happening there and and that but what's happening there and and that but what's happening there and and that word breath work is kind of tricky word breath work is kind of tricky word breath work is kind of tricky that's kind of the industry term is is that's kind of the industry term is is that's kind of the industry term is is breath work but breath work but breath work but i also like to call it breath play and i also like to call it breath play and i also like to call it breath play and what i mean by that is when you what i mean by that is when you what i mean by that is when you learn and experience what an intentional learn and experience what an intentional learn and experience what an intentional breathing practice is and what it can do breathing practice is and what it can do breathing practice is and what it can do for your health what it can do for your for your health what it can do for your for your health what it can do for your physical health your mental state physical health your mental state physical health your mental state and you learn some of the basics on how and you learn some of the basics on how and you learn some of the basics on how to breathe more efficiently or how to to breathe more efficiently or how to to breathe more efficiently or how to get yourself into an altered state of get yourself into an altered state of get yourself into an altered state of consciousness consciousness consciousness it sounds like really crazy stuff that it sounds like really crazy stuff that it sounds like really crazy stuff that might take a lot of work might take a lot of work might take a lot of work but it's really not you know you really but it's really not you know you really but it's really not you know you really get into the basics of it and you're get into the basics of it and you're get into the basics of it and you're like okay cool i can do this on my own like okay cool i can do this on my own like okay cool i can do this on my own now and i can now and i can now and i can take a deep breath in a moment where i take a deep breath in a moment where i take a deep breath in a moment where i might need it most that it's really might need it most that it's really might need it most that it's really that's really what it is at its core is that's really what it is at its core is that's really what it is at its core is being conscious when we breathe being conscious when we breathe being conscious when we breathe and that could be in the morning a and that could be in the morning a and that could be in the morning a 10-minute breath work practice 10-minute breath work practice 10-minute breath work practice it could be a longer one hour like it could be a longer one hour like it could be a longer one hour like holotropic breathing wim hof style holotropic breathing wim hof style holotropic breathing wim hof style breathing where you shoot off into outer
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breathing where you shoot off into outer breathing where you shoot off into outer space space space it could just be taking a couple deeper it could just be taking a couple deeper it could just be taking a couple deeper breaths you know right before you go on breaths you know right before you go on breaths you know right before you go on stage to public speak or go into a stage to public speak or go into a stage to public speak or go into a podcast interview or podcast interview or podcast interview or have a difficult conversation with your have a difficult conversation with your have a difficult conversation with your spouse or or your kids spouse or or your kids spouse or or your kids just being able to be more aware and just being able to be more aware and just being able to be more aware and more present by literally bringing it more present by literally bringing it more present by literally bringing it back to our breath which is so back to our breath which is so back to our breath which is so fundamental to being a human and fundamental to being a human and fundamental to being a human and that's exactly what you said when you that's exactly what you said when you that's exactly what you said when you started off here it's like it's it's started off here it's like it's it's started off here it's like it's it's more than just more than just more than just staying alive and it's more than just staying alive and it's more than just staying alive and it's more than just what we did when we first entered this what we did when we first entered this what we did when we first entered this this world it's really more about this world it's really more about this world it's really more about maximizing our life maximizing our life maximizing our life and that's where i get most uh excited and that's where i get most uh excited and that's where i get most uh excited about this practice is like how can we about this practice is like how can we about this practice is like how can we milk the out of our lives and milk the out of our lives and milk the out of our lives and breath work is just one way of doing breath work is just one way of doing breath work is just one way of doing that that that i love that milk the out of our i love that milk the out of our i love that milk the out of our lives that's that's that's going to go lives that's that's that's going to go lives that's that's that's going to go up on my wall somewhere yeah we're going up on my wall somewhere yeah we're going up on my wall somewhere yeah we're going to steal that i think for the tagline to steal that i think for the tagline to steal that i think for the tagline teaching you how to milk the out of teaching you how to milk the out of teaching you how to milk the out of your life your life your life i think i ought to put that on a t-shirt i think i ought to put that on a t-shirt i think i ought to put that on a t-shirt all right there you go all right there you go all right there you go exactly so
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exactly so exactly so so you you mentioned that you feel so you you mentioned that you feel so you you mentioned that you feel fortunate that you got into this in your fortunate that you got into this in your fortunate that you got into this in your late 20s late 20s late 20s how did you get into this like what what how did you get into this like what what how did you get into this like what what inspired you to start inspired you to start inspired you to start learning about learning about learning about you know as you know as you know as jeremy alluded to earlier like this jeremy alluded to earlier like this jeremy alluded to earlier like this thing we've been doing all our lives may thing we've been doing all our lives may thing we've been doing all our lives may be wrong though yeah be wrong though yeah be wrong though yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i mentioned a name not too long ago yeah i mentioned a name not too long ago yeah i mentioned a name not too long ago wim hof um is really how i got into all wim hof um is really how i got into all wim hof um is really how i got into all of this and people that are in the of this and people that are in the of this and people that are in the breath work breath work breath work community like myself community like myself community like myself a lot of them have that same story where a lot of them have that same story where a lot of them have that same story where they they they heard about this crazy guy from the heard about this crazy guy from the heard about this crazy guy from the netherlands talk about breathing and how netherlands talk about breathing and how netherlands talk about breathing and how it can change your life it can change your life it can change your life and i actually i heard him on a number and i actually i heard him on a number and i actually i heard him on a number of different podcasts that i was of different podcasts that i was of different podcasts that i was listening to listening to listening to talk about his story and how he talk about his story and how he talk about his story and how he developed this method and you know this developed this method and you know this developed this method and you know this was going back decades ago when he was going back decades ago when he was going back decades ago when he decided to walk into decided to walk into decided to walk into this river in amsterdam when he was this river in amsterdam when he was this river in amsterdam when he was going through a lot of trauma and grief going through a lot of trauma and grief going through a lot of trauma and grief from the death of his wife she committed from the death of his wife she committed from the death of his wife she committed suicide suicide suicide and he would go on long walks and one
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and he would go on long walks and one and he would go on long walks and one day he day he day he walked by the river and decided to get walked by the river and decided to get walked by the river and decided to get into the cold water and into the cold water and into the cold water and it changed his life he realized how much it changed his life he realized how much it changed his life he realized how much better he felt he realized how much it better he felt he realized how much it better he felt he realized how much it helped with his anxiety with his helped with his anxiety with his helped with his anxiety with his depression depression depression and he was doing deep breathing when he and he was doing deep breathing when he and he was doing deep breathing when he got into that that cold water because got into that that cold water because got into that that cold water because there was an initial shock there was an initial shock there was an initial shock and then he was like huh what if i did and then he was like huh what if i did and then he was like huh what if i did this deep breathing before i got into this deep breathing before i got into this deep breathing before i got into the water so the water so the water so long story he developed this whole long story he developed this whole long story he developed this whole method which is now known as the wim off method which is now known as the wim off method which is now known as the wim off method of deep breathing method of deep breathing method of deep breathing cold water immersion cold water immersion cold water immersion and i heard him talk about this story and i heard him talk about this story and i heard him talk about this story over and over again and all these over and over again and all these over and over again and all these different podcasts i was listening to different podcasts i was listening to different podcasts i was listening to and i i knew i had to try it for myself and i i knew i had to try it for myself and i i knew i had to try it for myself this was around late 2019 early 2020 this was around late 2019 early 2020 this was around late 2019 early 2020 and then and then and then of course the pandemic hit and of course the pandemic hit and of course the pandemic hit and that's when i really had some extra time that's when i really had some extra time that's when i really had some extra time on my hands on my hands on my hands you know professionally i was actually a you know professionally i was actually a you know professionally i was actually a wedding photographer for about five wedding photographer for about five wedding photographer for about five years years years and that's when i had some extra time and that's when i had some extra time and that's when i had some extra time and i started up a podcast of my own and i started up a podcast of my own and i started up a podcast of my own when all of my weddings were dried up
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when all of my weddings were dried up when all of my weddings were dried up overnight everything was kind of overnight everything was kind of overnight everything was kind of canceled postponed canceled postponed canceled postponed and i got into this podcast space and and i got into this podcast space and and i got into this podcast space and remembered what i was learning from wim remembered what i was learning from wim remembered what i was learning from wim hof on hof on hof on the different shows i was listening to the different shows i was listening to the different shows i was listening to and started working on it on my own and started working on it on my own and started working on it on my own doing the breath work on my own and then doing the breath work on my own and then doing the breath work on my own and then i realized this is so cool i want to do i realized this is so cool i want to do i realized this is so cool i want to do this for myself not just for myself this for myself not just for myself this for myself not just for myself personally but talk about it on my show personally but talk about it on my show personally but talk about it on my show and share this with the world and that's and share this with the world and that's and share this with the world and that's when i decided to make my podcast all when i decided to make my podcast all when i decided to make my podcast all about breath work and cold exposure about breath work and cold exposure about breath work and cold exposure um and then like i said this was right um and then like i said this was right um and then like i said this was right around when the pandemic was happening around when the pandemic was happening around when the pandemic was happening and i was going through so much change and i was going through so much change and i was going through so much change professionally with my career a career professionally with my career a career professionally with my career a career shift shift shift you know my business taking a huge hit you know my business taking a huge hit you know my business taking a huge hit kind of overnight kind of overnight kind of overnight just a lot of uncertainty and question just a lot of uncertainty and question just a lot of uncertainty and question marks and doubt and marks and doubt and marks and doubt and but then i always brought it back to my but then i always brought it back to my but then i always brought it back to my breath breath breath and then in addition to all that i went and then in addition to all that i went and then in addition to all that i went through a breakup that summer i through a breakup that summer i through a breakup that summer i was just kind of at this point in my was just kind of at this point in my was just kind of at this point in my life where i was questioning who i was life where i was questioning who i was life where i was questioning who i was and and and what i was supposed to do in this world what i was supposed to do in this world what i was supposed to do in this world and whenever i had moments of of grief
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and whenever i had moments of of grief and whenever i had moments of of grief or or or sadness or depression or anxiety or sadness or depression or anxiety or sadness or depression or anxiety or panic or all the number of things that panic or all the number of things that panic or all the number of things that so many people so many people so many people faced in that year faced in that year faced in that year i would literally just lay down my bed i would literally just lay down my bed i would literally just lay down my bed and breathe for 20 minutes i would turn and breathe for 20 minutes i would turn and breathe for 20 minutes i would turn on the wim hof app and i would do three on the wim hof app and i would do three on the wim hof app and i would do three rounds of this deep breathing and after rounds of this deep breathing and after rounds of this deep breathing and after 20 minutes i felt like a whole new 20 minutes i felt like a whole new 20 minutes i felt like a whole new person and that's when i was that's the person and that's when i was that's the person and that's when i was that's the moment i realized how powerful this was moment i realized how powerful this was moment i realized how powerful this was um and i couldn't help but just make um and i couldn't help but just make um and i couldn't help but just make that a mission to share with the world that a mission to share with the world that a mission to share with the world so you mentioned using the app that's so you mentioned using the app that's so you mentioned using the app that's something i've done a few times something i've done a few times something i've done a few times and and and i want to just sort of paint a picture i want to just sort of paint a picture i want to just sort of paint a picture for people for what this looks like for people for what this looks like for people for what this looks like because i've gone through because i've gone through because i've gone through i've done a number of just breath work i've done a number of just breath work i've done a number of just breath work sessions on my own at home with the app sessions on my own at home with the app sessions on my own at home with the app or without and i've done a couple of or without and i've done a couple of or without and i've done a couple of guided sessions nice the guided sessions guided sessions nice the guided sessions guided sessions nice the guided sessions the most intimidating part of it for me the most intimidating part of it for me the most intimidating part of it for me was well there were two was well there were two was well there were two one i was at a retreat a weekend retreat one i was at a retreat a weekend retreat one i was at a retreat a weekend retreat self-care woo-woo thing that changed my self-care woo-woo thing that changed my self-care woo-woo thing that changed my life life life and part of it was you know lay on the and part of it was you know lay on the and part of it was you know lay on the ground surround yourself with pillows ground surround yourself with pillows ground surround yourself with pillows because you're going to thrash and
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because you're going to thrash and because you're going to thrash and you're going to you know sort of lose you're going to you know sort of lose you're going to you know sort of lose control of your body which scares the control of your body which scares the control of your body which scares the crap out of you when you hear that and crap out of you when you hear that and crap out of you when you hear that and then they follow it up with oh and by then they follow it up with oh and by then they follow it up with oh and by the way we're going to do this for about the way we're going to do this for about the way we're going to do this for about 75 minutes 75 minutes 75 minutes and so the the sort of the lack of and so the the sort of the lack of and so the the sort of the lack of control the fear of oh my god i'm gonna control the fear of oh my god i'm gonna control the fear of oh my god i'm gonna i'm gonna do this this deep i'm gonna do this this deep i'm gonna do this this deep heavy like very difficult or challenging heavy like very difficult or challenging heavy like very difficult or challenging i guess breathing i guess breathing i guess breathing uh and and i'm going to lose control of uh and and i'm going to lose control of uh and and i'm going to lose control of my body to the point where i'm going to my body to the point where i'm going to my body to the point where i'm going to be slamming my hands against the floor be slamming my hands against the floor be slamming my hands against the floor and all these things and all these things and all these things it's very scary it's very scary it's very scary but when i got into it but when i got into it but when i got into it i traveled through time i traveled i traveled through time i traveled i traveled through time i traveled through space through space through space i i went back and aided or comforted i i went back and aided or comforted i i went back and aided or comforted myself as a child through some of the myself as a child through some of the myself as a child through some of the most traumatic events where i was left most traumatic events where i was left most traumatic events where i was left alone to sort of figure it out on my own alone to sort of figure it out on my own alone to sort of figure it out on my own i was able to literally stand next to i was able to literally stand next to i was able to literally stand next to that child version of me in the room that child version of me in the room that child version of me in the room where it happened where it happened where it happened and comfort him and say you're gonna and comfort him and say you're gonna and comfort him and say you're gonna come out okay from this you're going to come out okay from this you're going to come out okay from this you're going to be all right and and i'm i you not be all right and and i'm i you not be all right and and i'm i you not it was as real as you and i having this it was as real as you and i having this it was as real as you and i having this conversation right now
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conversation right now conversation right now all all through literally this breathing all all through literally this breathing all all through literally this breathing technique so technique so technique so it is an incredibly powerful spiritual it is an incredibly powerful spiritual it is an incredibly powerful spiritual practice an incredibly powerful healing practice an incredibly powerful healing practice an incredibly powerful healing practice practice practice but for someone who has maybe heard but for someone who has maybe heard but for someone who has maybe heard about it has heard conversations like about it has heard conversations like about it has heard conversations like this has heard whim on on different this has heard whim on on different this has heard whim on on different things but has never done it themselves things but has never done it themselves things but has never done it themselves would you sort of explain what a typical would you sort of explain what a typical would you sort of explain what a typical breathwork session both i mean you breathwork session both i mean you breathwork session both i mean you mentioned there's sort of the simple mentioned there's sort of the simple mentioned there's sort of the simple lay down and sort of prepare for a lay down and sort of prepare for a lay down and sort of prepare for a conversation but also like the the deep conversation but also like the the deep conversation but also like the the deep spiritual stuff can you kind of walk us spiritual stuff can you kind of walk us spiritual stuff can you kind of walk us through what that looks like what through what that looks like what through what that looks like what someone would experience if they tried someone would experience if they tried someone would experience if they tried that that that yeah i mean to your point there's yeah i mean to your point there's yeah i mean to your point there's different styles of breathing right you different styles of breathing right you different styles of breathing right you could have um a smaller session shorter could have um a smaller session shorter could have um a smaller session shorter 10-minute session to 10-minute session to 10-minute session to calm your nerves you know it's it's to calm your nerves you know it's it's to calm your nerves you know it's it's to me it's uh there's a huge part of this me it's uh there's a huge part of this me it's uh there's a huge part of this is the nervous system is the nervous system is the nervous system and and and what you're doing there is you're doing what you're doing there is you're doing what you're doing there is you're doing a reset with your nervous system so what a reset with your nervous system so what a reset with your nervous system so what we're looking at when it's swim hof we're looking at when it's swim hof we're looking at when it's swim hof style breathing deeper breathing styles style breathing deeper breathing styles style breathing deeper breathing styles holotropic it sounds like what you holotropic it sounds like what you holotropic it sounds like what you experienced might have been a form of experienced might have been a form of experienced might have been a form of rebirthing uh breath work
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rebirthing uh breath work rebirthing uh breath work those are much more in-depth deep those are much more in-depth deep those are much more in-depth deep sessions sessions sessions a lot of what i focus on is a shorter a lot of what i focus on is a shorter a lot of what i focus on is a shorter session to literally down regulate if session to literally down regulate if session to literally down regulate if you're in a overly activated sympathetic you're in a overly activated sympathetic you're in a overly activated sympathetic nervous system state that fight or nervous system state that fight or nervous system state that fight or flight where you're in panic or fear or flight where you're in panic or fear or flight where you're in panic or fear or anger anger anger and just being able to do some breathing and just being able to do some breathing and just being able to do some breathing to down regulate that's super simple you to down regulate that's super simple you to down regulate that's super simple you could also do the opposite side of that could also do the opposite side of that could also do the opposite side of that right upregulated breathing if you're right upregulated breathing if you're right upregulated breathing if you're feeling a little sluggish feeling a little sluggish feeling a little sluggish uh instead of grabbing a cup of coffee uh instead of grabbing a cup of coffee uh instead of grabbing a cup of coffee at 2 p.m that might keep you up later at at 2 p.m that might keep you up later at at 2 p.m that might keep you up later at night you can do some up regulated night you can do some up regulated night you can do some up regulated breathing breathing breathing to to to to feel more energized and alert and to feel more energized and alert and to feel more energized and alert and focused focused focused now what you're getting into is some of now what you're getting into is some of now what you're getting into is some of those longer sessions whether that's wim those longer sessions whether that's wim those longer sessions whether that's wim hof or holotropic or you know rebirthing hof or holotropic or you know rebirthing hof or holotropic or you know rebirthing um in terms of an experience it's it um in terms of an experience it's it um in terms of an experience it's it really is individualized what they're really is individualized what they're really is individualized what they're going through i have had many moments in going through i have had many moments in going through i have had many moments in many sessions where many sessions where many sessions where i have had something similar where i see i have had something similar where i see i have had something similar where i see colors and i you know it's very euphoric colors and i you know it's very euphoric colors and i you know it's very euphoric it's very blissful i've had moments it's very blissful i've had moments it's very blissful i've had moments where i have visions of where i should
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where i have visions of where i should where i have visions of where i should be at in my life and what i should be be at in my life and what i should be be at in my life and what i should be doing with my career or with a doing with my career or with a doing with my career or with a relationship relationship relationship so it can be very profound very so it can be very profound very so it can be very profound very spiritual spiritual spiritual but then i've also had some sessions but then i've also had some sessions but then i've also had some sessions where i maybe went into it with really where i maybe went into it with really where i maybe went into it with really high expectations hoping to get to that high expectations hoping to get to that high expectations hoping to get to that point where i just get super high and point where i just get super high and point where i just get super high and like out of my mind like out of my mind like out of my mind and then i don't get there and that's and then i don't get there and that's and then i don't get there and that's okay because i get like i said every okay because i get like i said every okay because i get like i said every session is a little bit different it's session is a little bit different it's session is a little bit different it's gonna be a little bit different for each gonna be a little bit different for each gonna be a little bit different for each person person person it's really really easy to get caught up it's really really easy to get caught up it's really really easy to get caught up chasing the dragon once chasing the dragon once chasing the dragon once like i gotta go back i gotta taste that like i gotta go back i gotta taste that like i gotta go back i gotta taste that again yeah absolutely there are times again yeah absolutely there are times again yeah absolutely there are times where you want to have that that big where you want to have that that big where you want to have that that big shoot off and then you don't get it and shoot off and then you don't get it and shoot off and then you don't get it and that's okay because that's okay because that's okay because you still have a really great experience you still have a really great experience you still have a really great experience right it's still bliss it's still right it's still bliss it's still right it's still bliss it's still peaceful it's still peaceful it's still peaceful it's still you know you leave feeling really good you know you leave feeling really good you know you leave feeling really good and happy and happy and happy um and then there's other moments where um and then there's other moments where um and then there's other moments where you have an emotional release you know you have an emotional release you know you have an emotional release you know i've had sessions where i've had sessions where i've had sessions where you just start crying and sometimes it's you just start crying and sometimes it's you just start crying and sometimes it's for a specific reason where like you for a specific reason where like you for a specific reason where like you look back and you're like oh yeah i was look back and you're like oh yeah i was look back and you're like oh yeah i was really holding on to this you know this
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really holding on to this you know this really holding on to this you know this resentment in a relationship or i'm just resentment in a relationship or i'm just resentment in a relationship or i'm just going through some this week or going through some this week or going through some this week or stress or an argument or whatever stress or an argument or whatever stress or an argument or whatever and there's just this immense emotional and there's just this immense emotional and there's just this immense emotional release release release and then i've also had emotional and then i've also had emotional and then i've also had emotional releases where i couldn't explain what releases where i couldn't explain what releases where i couldn't explain what it was about right like i just started it was about right like i just started it was about right like i just started crying and i was like i had no idea i crying and i was like i had no idea i crying and i was like i had no idea i was holding on to anything i didn't know was holding on to anything i didn't know was holding on to anything i didn't know i even needed that but what i'm getting i even needed that but what i'm getting i even needed that but what i'm getting at is at is at is what what's so cool about this and what what's so cool about this and what what's so cool about this and what's so beautiful about this practice what's so beautiful about this practice what's so beautiful about this practice and there's different forms as i've and there's different forms as i've and there's different forms as i've explained explained explained but but but it usually will give you what you need it usually will give you what you need it usually will give you what you need and sometimes you don't know what you and sometimes you don't know what you and sometimes you don't know what you need but it'll it'll get you there need but it'll it'll get you there need but it'll it'll get you there and and that's what's so cool for me is and and that's what's so cool for me is and and that's what's so cool for me is just kind of go into it and surrender just kind of go into it and surrender just kind of go into it and surrender and not have and not have and not have super clear expectations but no i'm super clear expectations but no i'm super clear expectations but no i'm going to get something out of it going to get something out of it going to get something out of it and it could be a number of any of those and it could be a number of any of those and it could be a number of any of those things i just described things i just described things i just described yeah i usually am yeah i usually am yeah i usually am pretty clear on what i want pretty clear on what i want pretty clear on what i want what i actually need is murky right what i actually need is murky right what i actually need is murky right yeah
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yeah yeah usually what happens to me when i i usually what happens to me when i i usually what happens to me when i i start going through those start going through those start going through those uh those moments and that's uh those moments and that's uh those moments and that's and that's a big difference and i i and that's a big difference and i i and that's a big difference and i i think i think a lot of people can relate think i think a lot of people can relate think i think a lot of people can relate to that they're like i know what i want to that they're like i know what i want to that they're like i know what i want but i'm not so sure what i really needed but i'm not so sure what i really needed but i'm not so sure what i really needed and that's what i love about this the and that's what i love about this the and that's what i love about this the most is like we we can go into it with most is like we we can go into it with most is like we we can go into it with an idea of like and that can be for an idea of like and that can be for an idea of like and that can be for anything even outside of breath work anything even outside of breath work anything even outside of breath work like cold exposure is the same thing for like cold exposure is the same thing for like cold exposure is the same thing for me me me i have almost the exact same experience i have almost the exact same experience i have almost the exact same experience and i think that's why the two correlate and i think that's why the two correlate and i think that's why the two correlate so much so much so much is that i know what i want out of a is that i know what i want out of a is that i know what i want out of a certain cold exposure nice bath session certain cold exposure nice bath session certain cold exposure nice bath session maybe it's a number that i want i want maybe it's a number that i want i want maybe it's a number that i want i want to be in there for five minutes to be in there for five minutes to be in there for five minutes but then i get in there my body's like but then i get in there my body's like but then i get in there my body's like no that's not what you need today you no that's not what you need today you no that's not what you need today you only need two minutes and that's enough only need two minutes and that's enough only need two minutes and that's enough and get out like don't overdo this don't and get out like don't overdo this don't and get out like don't overdo this don't be a macho man be a macho man be a macho man so that's there's a huge that's a a so that's there's a huge that's a a so that's there's a huge that's a a brilliant point that you you raised brilliant point that you you raised brilliant point that you you raised there is you know it's very easy to know there is you know it's very easy to know there is you know it's very easy to know what we want at times but then what we what we want at times but then what we what we want at times but then what we really need is not so cool yeah i i feel
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really need is not so cool yeah i i feel really need is not so cool yeah i i feel like i suffer from that like i suffer from that like i suffer from that far too often far too often far too often but you kind of went down the the road but you kind of went down the the road but you kind of went down the the road that i was gonna go next and and talk that i was gonna go next and and talk that i was gonna go next and and talk about cold therapy and does it relate to about cold therapy and does it relate to about cold therapy and does it relate to breath work is it something you should breath work is it something you should breath work is it something you should use in conjunction with breath work or use in conjunction with breath work or use in conjunction with breath work or is it completely separate yeah i guess is it completely separate yeah i guess is it completely separate yeah i guess i'll i'll relate it back to whim because i'll i'll relate it back to whim because i'll i'll relate it back to whim because that's where i learned all about it and that's where i learned all about it and that's where i learned all about it and he is such a pioneer and leader in the he is such a pioneer and leader in the he is such a pioneer and leader in the space i mean when people think of coal space i mean when people think of coal space i mean when people think of coal exposure and ice baths and all that they exposure and ice baths and all that they exposure and ice baths and all that they usually think of of wim hof and he's usually think of of wim hof and he's usually think of of wim hof and he's gaining popularity for sure it's kind of gaining popularity for sure it's kind of gaining popularity for sure it's kind of funny when i start talking to people funny when i start talking to people funny when i start talking to people about this in my circle and my life about this in my circle and my life about this in my circle and my life family friends family friends family friends you know i'll talk about ice bath and you know i'll talk about ice bath and you know i'll talk about ice bath and they'll be like is that that end guy and they'll be like is that that end guy and they'll be like is that that end guy and i'm like yeah that's that's why him off i'm like yeah that's that's why him off i'm like yeah that's that's why him off but i mentioned it in in his origin but i mentioned it in in his origin but i mentioned it in in his origin story earlier is when he went into that story earlier is when he went into that story earlier is when he went into that river in river in river in amsterdam and he kind of first amsterdam and he kind of first amsterdam and he kind of first created this or discovered it created this or discovered it created this or discovered it he got into that cold water and he he got into that cold water and he he got into that cold water and he started doing really deep breathing just started doing really deep breathing just started doing really deep breathing just naturally right it was almost like a naturally right it was almost like a naturally right it was almost like a hyperventilation thing hyperventilation thing hyperventilation thing where you get in and there's that
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where you get in and there's that where you get in and there's that initial shock your your body goes into initial shock your your body goes into initial shock your your body goes into that sympathetic state and it's just that sympathetic state and it's just that sympathetic state and it's just like like like you like freak out a little bit so you like freak out a little bit so you like freak out a little bit so that's what he started realizing and that's what he started realizing and that's what he started realizing and then he realized okay well what if i did then he realized okay well what if i did then he realized okay well what if i did this before going into the cold this before going into the cold this before going into the cold and he started laying down and doing and he started laying down and doing and he started laying down and doing that deep breathing on his own separate that deep breathing on his own separate that deep breathing on his own separate from the cold from the cold from the cold and that's when he realized the power of and that's when he realized the power of and that's when he realized the power of all of it and how it could make you feel all of it and how it could make you feel all of it and how it could make you feel better i will say as just like a better i will say as just like a better i will say as just like a disclaimer the two should not ever be disclaimer the two should not ever be disclaimer the two should not ever be done done done together especially the deep breathing together especially the deep breathing together especially the deep breathing it's dangerous right it's in terms of it's dangerous right it's in terms of it's dangerous right it's in terms of doing it in water you could get doing it in water you could get doing it in water you could get lightheaded you could actually pass out lightheaded you could actually pass out lightheaded you could actually pass out so so so never do deep breathing never do deep breathing never do deep breathing even near water even like a puddle of even near water even like a puddle of even near water even like a puddle of water you could slip and i mean people water you could slip and i mean people water you could slip and i mean people actually have diet doing this trying to actually have diet doing this trying to actually have diet doing this trying to do it in in conjunction do it in in conjunction do it in in conjunction at the same time at the same time at the same time so in terms of cold exposure and so in terms of cold exposure and so in terms of cold exposure and you know how it relates to our breath you know how it relates to our breath you know how it relates to our breath you have that element of doing the deep you have that element of doing the deep you have that element of doing the deep breathing before you go into the cold it breathing before you go into the cold it breathing before you go into the cold it acts as a a way to naturally heat up acts as a a way to naturally heat up acts as a a way to naturally heat up your body which is a really great thing
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your body which is a really great thing your body which is a really great thing to do before you go into the cold but to do before you go into the cold but to do before you go into the cold but then once you get into the cold like i then once you get into the cold like i then once you get into the cold like i said you don't want to do that deep said you don't want to do that deep said you don't want to do that deep breathing but you certainly want to breathing but you certainly want to breathing but you certainly want to focus on your breath focus on your breath focus on your breath i do recommend to focus on that down i do recommend to focus on that down i do recommend to focus on that down regulated breathing slowing the exhale regulated breathing slowing the exhale regulated breathing slowing the exhale down down down so and especially when you first get in so and especially when you first get in so and especially when you first get in and you have that initial shock of like and you have that initial shock of like and you have that initial shock of like that kind of that hyperventilation that kind of that hyperventilation that kind of that hyperventilation movement movement movement bring it back to your breath and just bring it back to your breath and just bring it back to your breath and just you can take a breath a deep breath in you can take a breath a deep breath in you can take a breath a deep breath in but then just really slowly exhale like but then just really slowly exhale like but then just really slowly exhale like six seven eight ten seconds even six seven eight ten seconds even six seven eight ten seconds even and that's what i usually do when i'm in and that's what i usually do when i'm in and that's what i usually do when i'm in that cold i might take you know five six that cold i might take you know five six that cold i might take you know five six deep breaths in the beginning in terms deep breaths in the beginning in terms deep breaths in the beginning in terms of just like slow breathing of just like slow breathing of just like slow breathing nothing too crazy where i'm going to get nothing too crazy where i'm going to get nothing too crazy where i'm going to get lightheaded but just more so down lightheaded but just more so down lightheaded but just more so down regulating and focusing on that exhale regulating and focusing on that exhale regulating and focusing on that exhale and that gets me back into that and that gets me back into that and that gets me back into that parasympathetic state parasympathetic state parasympathetic state from that initial shock down to okay i from that initial shock down to okay i from that initial shock down to okay i got this and it's usually about 30 got this and it's usually about 30 got this and it's usually about 30 seconds for me seconds for me seconds for me where you get to that 30 second where you get to that 30 second where you get to that 30 second threshold and you're like okay i got it threshold and you're like okay i got it threshold and you're like okay i got it under control i have my breathing now under control i have my breathing now under control i have my breathing now under control
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under control under control and at that point it sounds crazy and at that point it sounds crazy and at that point it sounds crazy especially for people that aren't used especially for people that aren't used especially for people that aren't used to this but at that point you really do to this but at that point you really do to this but at that point you really do get used to it you really do get into get used to it you really do get into get used to it you really do get into this state of flow and relaxation and this state of flow and relaxation and this state of flow and relaxation and it's still a little painful it's still it's still a little painful it's still it's still a little painful it's still hard i'm not going to say it's like easy hard i'm not going to say it's like easy hard i'm not going to say it's like easy but it is easier than the first 30 but it is easier than the first 30 but it is easier than the first 30 seconds or that first minute uh that's seconds or that first minute uh that's seconds or that first minute uh that's usually the hardest part well and and it usually the hardest part well and and it usually the hardest part well and and it gets easier right i mean that that gets easier right i mean that that gets easier right i mean that that moment you talk about where you sort of moment you talk about where you sort of moment you talk about where you sort of take control or i guess when your body take control or i guess when your body take control or i guess when your body flips from sympathetic to flips from sympathetic to flips from sympathetic to parasympathetic there's just something parasympathetic there's just something parasympathetic there's just something it for me it's like a light switch you it for me it's like a light switch you it for me it's like a light switch you go in there with all of the baggage and go in there with all of the baggage and go in there with all of the baggage and and the that has you know dominated and the that has you know dominated and the that has you know dominated your mind for the day or the week or your mind for the day or the week or your mind for the day or the week or however long it's been however long it's been however long it's been you get in that water and there's two you get in that water and there's two you get in that water and there's two things i love well i love so many things things i love well i love so many things things i love well i love so many things about it but about it but about it but for one that moment where you are for one that moment where you are for one that moment where you are suddenly just at peace suddenly just at peace suddenly just at peace where your whole body just relaxes and where your whole body just relaxes and where your whole body just relaxes and goes oh yeah we're good we're not going goes oh yeah we're good we're not going goes oh yeah we're good we're not going to die it's all right yeah it just i to die it's all right yeah it just i to die it's all right yeah it just i mean all of a sudden you go from like oh mean all of a sudden you go from like oh mean all of a sudden you go from like oh my god i was freezing to i think i'm
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my god i was freezing to i think i'm my god i was freezing to i think i'm going to swim this is a good time i'm going to swim this is a good time i'm going to swim this is a good time i'm enjoying this and and i love that about enjoying this and and i love that about enjoying this and and i love that about it and i love just the discipline part it and i love just the discipline part it and i love just the discipline part of it too that of it too that of it too that you know when you do build up your you know when you do build up your you know when you do build up your tolerance when you go from that 10 20 30 tolerance when you go from that 10 20 30 tolerance when you go from that 10 20 30 seconds and you're up into the twos and seconds and you're up into the twos and seconds and you're up into the twos and the fives and more minutes just the the the fives and more minutes just the the the fives and more minutes just the the mental challenge of can i do this longer mental challenge of can i do this longer mental challenge of can i do this longer not from like an ego perspective but not from like an ego perspective but not from like an ego perspective but just from like a mind control thing just from like a mind control thing just from like a mind control thing because it does become this thing where because it does become this thing where because it does become this thing where you start to sort of freak out a little you start to sort of freak out a little you start to sort of freak out a little bit and i'll just share a quick story i bit and i'll just share a quick story i bit and i'll just share a quick story i was actually in the in the river we live was actually in the in the river we live was actually in the in the river we live right next to a river and i was in with right next to a river and i was in with right next to a river and i was in with my daughter yesterday and i think she my daughter yesterday and i think she my daughter yesterday and i think she looks up to me she sees me do it she's looks up to me she sees me do it she's looks up to me she sees me do it she's like oh my god you're crazy but then she like oh my god you're crazy but then she like oh my god you're crazy but then she wants to follow me in and does it wants to follow me in and does it wants to follow me in and does it and yesterday we're standing in the and yesterday we're standing in the and yesterday we're standing in the creek creek creek and and i just walk in like i'm getting and and i just walk in like i'm getting and and i just walk in like i'm getting in a bath because i'm so used to this in a bath because i'm so used to this in a bath because i'm so used to this now like i just know what it feels like now like i just know what it feels like now like i just know what it feels like i'm going to be fine i'm going to be fine i'm going to be fine she gets in and she stands up to her she gets in and she stands up to her she gets in and she stands up to her knees knees knees she stands i mean just for minutes like she stands i mean just for minutes like she stands i mean just for minutes like just hold on just i gotta i just need just hold on just i gotta i just need just hold on just i gotta i just need him i just need a minute and then she's him i just need a minute and then she's him i just need a minute and then she's she's saying i don't i don't know how to she's saying i don't i don't know how to
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she's saying i don't i don't know how to get in i don't know how to sit i don't get in i don't know how to sit i don't get in i don't know how to sit i don't know how to get into the water i'm like know how to get into the water i'm like know how to get into the water i'm like literally you just have to literally sit literally you just have to literally sit literally you just have to literally sit down that's all you have to do is sit down that's all you have to do is sit down that's all you have to do is sit down and she could not like the mental down and she could not like the mental down and she could not like the mental and physical barrier was impossible and and physical barrier was impossible and and physical barrier was impossible and i was like go over to the dry land and i was like go over to the dry land and i was like go over to the dry land and sit down the only reason you can't do it sit down the only reason you can't do it sit down the only reason you can't do it in the water is because your mind is in the water is because your mind is in the water is because your mind is telling you you can't you need to telling you you can't you need to telling you you can't you need to overcome that monster you need to tell overcome that monster you need to tell overcome that monster you need to tell that thing it's wrong and literally just that thing it's wrong and literally just that thing it's wrong and literally just sit down sit down sit down and i mean just it turned into tears and and i mean just it turned into tears and and i mean just it turned into tears and it was this whole it was this whole it was this whole thing so she literally couldn't do it so thing so she literally couldn't do it so thing so she literally couldn't do it so i had to help her and i had to like lay i had to help her and i had to like lay i had to help her and i had to like lay her in the water and then but then but her in the water and then but then but her in the water and then but then but when she did it she just lit up and was when she did it she just lit up and was when she did it she just lit up and was like yes like it's like yes like it's like yes like it's so so so my point in telling all this is that my point in telling all this is that my point in telling all this is that just when you just when you just when you when you are sort of a slave to your when you are sort of a slave to your when you are sort of a slave to your mind and you're constantly just chasing mind and you're constantly just chasing mind and you're constantly just chasing whatever random thoughts come up and whatever random thoughts come up and whatever random thoughts come up and feelings this is such an amazing feelings this is such an amazing feelings this is such an amazing practice to get over that because you practice to get over that because you practice to get over that because you have to you have to overcome those have to you have to overcome those have to you have to overcome those voices and you have to overcome that voices and you have to overcome that voices and you have to overcome that cold cold cold because because because otherwise you do you freak out and you otherwise you do you freak out and you otherwise you do you freak out and you don't know what to do and it's just don't know what to do and it's just don't know what to do and it's just another extension of of your life sort another extension of of your life sort another extension of of your life sort of out of control
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of out of control of out of control absolutely it's probably my favorite absolutely it's probably my favorite absolutely it's probably my favorite thing about cold exposure is that thing about cold exposure is that thing about cold exposure is that discipline element right that moment of discipline element right that moment of discipline element right that moment of telling yourself i can't do this and telling yourself i can't do this and telling yourself i can't do this and oftentimes oftentimes oftentimes it's not even a matter of whether you it's not even a matter of whether you it's not even a matter of whether you can or can't it's a matter of whether can or can't it's a matter of whether can or can't it's a matter of whether you want to or not so when you say i you want to or not so when you say i you want to or not so when you say i can't do it it's almost always i don't can't do it it's almost always i don't can't do it it's almost always i don't want to want to want to and when you get into the cold and and when you get into the cold and and when you get into the cold and especially in in the morning that's why especially in in the morning that's why especially in in the morning that's why i love doing this like first thing in i love doing this like first thing in i love doing this like first thing in the in the morning the in the morning the in the morning you're now started starting your day and you're now started starting your day and you're now started starting your day and setting yourself up for success you're setting yourself up for success you're setting yourself up for success you're setting yourself up to setting yourself up to setting yourself up to realize i can do this you know something realize i can do this you know something realize i can do this you know something i might not want to do but i really can i might not want to do but i really can i might not want to do but i really can do it do it do it and when you when you get past that and when you when you get past that and when you when you get past that barrier it's literally just a a brain barrier it's literally just a a brain barrier it's literally just a a brain barrier it's a mindset shift barrier it's a mindset shift barrier it's a mindset shift you get past that and then you go you get past that and then you go you get past that and then you go throughout your day and you're like oh i throughout your day and you're like oh i throughout your day and you're like oh i can't do this but it's really i don't can't do this but it's really i don't can't do this but it's really i don't want to do this want to do this want to do this and then you remember you know what i and then you remember you know what i and then you remember you know what i got into the cold for two minutes today got into the cold for two minutes today got into the cold for two minutes today i got into an ice cold bath today and i i got into an ice cold bath today and i i got into an ice cold bath today and i sat there for whatever four minutes five sat there for whatever four minutes five sat there for whatever four minutes five minutes minutes minutes and then you go into this meeting or to
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and then you go into this meeting or to and then you go into this meeting or to a project or to something you're putting a project or to something you're putting a project or to something you're putting off whatever it may be you look back and off whatever it may be you look back and off whatever it may be you look back and you say okay well you know i actually you say okay well you know i actually you say okay well you know i actually did something that i my mind told me i did something that i my mind told me i did something that i my mind told me i can't do it and i end up doing it can't do it and i end up doing it can't do it and i end up doing it and now what's next and that's what's so and now what's next and that's what's so and now what's next and that's what's so cool is is that cool is is that cool is is that ability to shift uh how you look at your ability to shift uh how you look at your ability to shift uh how you look at your whole day and your whole week and your whole day and your whole week and your whole day and your whole week and your whole life so i want to ask you whole life so i want to ask you whole life so i want to ask you about so i i suffer the same issue with about so i i suffer the same issue with about so i i suffer the same issue with cold you know i cold you know i cold you know i in the beginning it was very hard to get in the beginning it was very hard to get in the beginning it was very hard to get into now i can you know i jump into the into now i can you know i jump into the into now i can you know i jump into the shower i really enjoy like shower i really enjoy like shower i really enjoy like three to four minutes on as hot as it three to four minutes on as hot as it three to four minutes on as hot as it can possibly get to the point where it can possibly get to the point where it can possibly get to the point where it like leaves marks on my skin like leaves marks on my skin like leaves marks on my skin and then i just dump it all the way to and then i just dump it all the way to and then i just dump it all the way to cold for the rest cold for the rest cold for the rest i really love a hot shower but um i really love a hot shower but um i really love a hot shower but um totally uh but and it you know i'm used totally uh but and it you know i'm used totally uh but and it you know i'm used to it now to it now to it now but i do want to ask you the difference but i do want to ask you the difference but i do want to ask you the difference between so there's getting into water between so there's getting into water between so there's getting into water there's also like cryo chambers where there's also like cryo chambers where there's also like cryo chambers where you like for me like i don't have access
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you like for me like i don't have access you like for me like i don't have access to a body of water that i can go get to a body of water that i can go get to a body of water that i can go get into regularly but i do have access to into regularly but i do have access to into regularly but i do have access to cryo chambers wait a minute wait don't cryo chambers wait a minute wait don't cryo chambers wait a minute wait don't you have a pool in your backyard turn you have a pool in your backyard turn you have a pool in your backyard turn the heat off even with the heat off even the heat off even with the heat off even the heat off even with the heat off even with the heat office it's 80 degrees so with the heat office it's 80 degrees so with the heat office it's 80 degrees so like okay that doesn't count like i only like okay that doesn't count like i only like okay that doesn't count like i only get like very small slivers of time get like very small slivers of time get like very small slivers of time where that's like sitting at 60 degrees where that's like sitting at 60 degrees where that's like sitting at 60 degrees but cryo chambers right there's one that but cryo chambers right there's one that but cryo chambers right there's one that i go to it's full body like you get in i go to it's full body like you get in i go to it's full body like you get in and it i believe the one i do it's like and it i believe the one i do it's like and it i believe the one i do it's like negative negative negative 240 degrees for 240 degrees for 240 degrees for for three minutes and i know it's a very for three minutes and i know it's a very for three minutes and i know it's a very different thing but like what's your different thing but like what's your different thing but like what's your experience between water and experience between water and experience between water and these cryo chambers are they the same these cryo chambers are they the same these cryo chambers are they the same thing are they different like should we thing are they different like should we thing are they different like should we avoid them avoid them avoid them yeah i want to start by saying i don't yeah i want to start by saying i don't yeah i want to start by saying i don't know enough about cryo to know enough about cryo to know enough about cryo to have an educated answer i have done cryo have an educated answer i have done cryo have an educated answer i have done cryo a few times it's definitely not my a few times it's definitely not my a few times it's definitely not my level of expertise to really share like level of expertise to really share like level of expertise to really share like the difference there the difference there the difference there i would definitely say you know the cold i would definitely say you know the cold i would definitely say you know the cold water immersion is is more my my style
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water immersion is is more my my style water immersion is is more my my style and and and i'm sure on a scientific level there's i'm sure on a scientific level there's i'm sure on a scientific level there's definitely some differences there in definitely some differences there in definitely some differences there in terms of the benefits and what's going terms of the benefits and what's going terms of the benefits and what's going on and on and on and and how it improves certain elements of and how it improves certain elements of and how it improves certain elements of your health but with water it's it's your health but with water it's it's your health but with water it's it's interesting how even within cold water interesting how even within cold water interesting how even within cold water there's differences right you have a there's differences right you have a there's differences right you have a shower that you're talking about and by shower that you're talking about and by shower that you're talking about and by the way i'm the same way i the way i'm the same way i the way i'm the same way i love a good warm warm hot shower love a good warm warm hot shower love a good warm warm hot shower and i take almost all my showers and i take almost all my showers and i take almost all my showers starting off with hot water and then i starting off with hot water and then i starting off with hot water and then i flip it to cold and flip it to cold and flip it to cold and some people that some people that some people that are are are that hear that they're like oh you're that hear that they're like oh you're that hear that they're like oh you're not really doing a cold shower but you not really doing a cold shower but you not really doing a cold shower but you really are because i'm still getting really are because i'm still getting really are because i'm still getting like three minutes four minutes of cold like three minutes four minutes of cold like three minutes four minutes of cold water at the end water at the end water at the end and then you have ice baths you have and then you have ice baths you have and then you have ice baths you have uh uh uh natural water a river a lake you know natural water a river a lake you know natural water a river a lake you know and within all that there are different and within all that there are different and within all that there are different experiences at least for me between a experiences at least for me between a experiences at least for me between a cold shower where you have these like cold shower where you have these like cold shower where you have these like drop droplets of water hitting you and i drop droplets of water hitting you and i drop droplets of water hitting you and i actually have sometimes a more actually have sometimes a more actually have sometimes a more challenging time in a cold shower challenging time in a cold shower challenging time in a cold shower just because it's not consistent you're
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just because it's not consistent you're just because it's not consistent you're not fully submerged not fully submerged not fully submerged and then you get into an ice bath and and then you get into an ice bath and and then you get into an ice bath and for me that's actually a little bit more for me that's actually a little bit more for me that's actually a little bit more manageable even though it's probably manageable even though it's probably manageable even though it's probably colder at least your body is just like colder at least your body is just like colder at least your body is just like fully submerged and you can just fully submerged and you can just fully submerged and you can just you surrender you're there at that point you surrender you're there at that point you surrender you're there at that point so like let's just make the most of it so like let's just make the most of it so like let's just make the most of it and then same thing with the natural and then same thing with the natural and then same thing with the natural body of water that's my favorite just body of water that's my favorite just body of water that's my favorite just because there's some element there because there's some element there because there's some element there of being in nature and yeah going back of being in nature and yeah going back of being in nature and yeah going back to the whole like morning thing i just to the whole like morning thing i just to the whole like morning thing i just love that idea of even if you can get love that idea of even if you can get love that idea of even if you can get there for the sunrise and i'm in chicago there for the sunrise and i'm in chicago there for the sunrise and i'm in chicago so i have lake michigan not too far from so i have lake michigan not too far from so i have lake michigan not too far from me actually just blocks away which is me actually just blocks away which is me actually just blocks away which is awesome awesome awesome so so so half the year i have this giant body of half the year i have this giant body of half the year i have this giant body of water i can go into at any time water i can go into at any time water i can go into at any time to do a cold cold plunge and to do a cold cold plunge and to do a cold cold plunge and sitting in the cold water in natural sitting in the cold water in natural sitting in the cold water in natural body water with sun sun rising and body water with sun sun rising and body water with sun sun rising and you have you have you have you know that you know that you know that nature element you have maybe birds nature element you have maybe birds nature element you have maybe birds flying by and just there's something so flying by and just there's something so flying by and just there's something so blissful about it
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blissful about it blissful about it even just that stillness when you're even just that stillness when you're even just that stillness when you're sitting there sitting there sitting there that that that you don't really quite get you don't really quite get you don't really quite get in a cold shower or in a cryo chamber um in a cold shower or in a cryo chamber um in a cold shower or in a cryo chamber um there's something about sin in the there's something about sin in the there's something about sin in the natural body water that is love so yeah natural body water that is love so yeah natural body water that is love so yeah to answer your question i i to answer your question i i to answer your question i i i definitely i definitely i definitely would like to know a little bit more would like to know a little bit more would like to know a little bit more about cry and have more experience there about cry and have more experience there about cry and have more experience there but i i don't want to but i i don't want to but i i don't want to sit here and act like i'm an expert on sit here and act like i'm an expert on sit here and act like i'm an expert on what the differences are so um yeah what the differences are so um yeah what the differences are so um yeah that's something i'll have to read up on that's something i'll have to read up on that's something i'll have to read up on a little bit more a little bit more a little bit more just to echo the the natural environment just to echo the the natural environment just to echo the the natural environment thing that's that's my jam too i love it thing that's that's my jam too i love it thing that's that's my jam too i love it because you're combining typically if because you're combining typically if because you're combining typically if you're doing it in the morning you've you're doing it in the morning you've you're doing it in the morning you've got those early morning sun rays you've got those early morning sun rays you've got those early morning sun rays you've got the grounding that's happening got the grounding that's happening got the grounding that's happening just just being there's there's just just being there's there's just just being there's there's something about being in you know the something about being in you know the something about being in you know the wild using air quotes because i'm in a wild using air quotes because i'm in a wild using air quotes because i'm in a perfectly protected environment but but perfectly protected environment but but perfectly protected environment but but just being there and realizing like just being there and realizing like just being there and realizing like there are any number of things that there are any number of things that there are any number of things that could kill me doing this right now and could kill me doing this right now and could kill me doing this right now and yeah i'm overcoming them and it's yeah i'm overcoming them and it's yeah i'm overcoming them and it's blissful so i mean there's just so many blissful so i mean there's just so many blissful so i mean there's just so many layers of like i'm i'm beating the world layers of like i'm i'm beating the world layers of like i'm i'm beating the world i'm beating my mind this is you know 100
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i'm beating my mind this is you know 100 i'm beating my mind this is you know 100 empowered empowered empowered one of my favorite spots to do the cold one of my favorite spots to do the cold one of my favorite spots to do the cold exposure in chicago here like i said exposure in chicago here like i said exposure in chicago here like i said it's like michigan but there is this it's like michigan but there is this it's like michigan but there is this little like harbor area that i like to little like harbor area that i like to little like harbor area that i like to go to that has a ladder that goes right go to that has a ladder that goes right go to that has a ladder that goes right down into the lake down into the lake down into the lake so me and a lot of my buddies that are so me and a lot of my buddies that are so me and a lot of my buddies that are into this will go to that spot and into this will go to that spot and into this will go to that spot and there were a few days this past winter there were a few days this past winter there were a few days this past winter where there was just like sheets of ice where there was just like sheets of ice where there was just like sheets of ice over the lake and but just enough it was over the lake and but just enough it was over the lake and but just enough it was like just like just like just like like like broken up a little bit enough to get broken up a little bit enough to get broken up a little bit enough to get into the lake it wasn't fully iced over into the lake it wasn't fully iced over into the lake it wasn't fully iced over and um there was one day where it was and um there was one day where it was and um there was one day where it was like pretty windy and there was a like pretty windy and there was a like pretty windy and there was a current coming in and these sheets of current coming in and these sheets of current coming in and these sheets of ice were just like traveling towards us ice were just like traveling towards us ice were just like traveling towards us so there were several times where we had so there were several times where we had so there were several times where we had to be like yo look out 20 like 20 yards to be like yo look out 20 like 20 yards to be like yo look out 20 like 20 yards away there's this giant thing of ice away there's this giant thing of ice away there's this giant thing of ice coming towards you so to your point when coming towards you so to your point when coming towards you so to your point when you're in nature like there's just a you're in nature like there's just a you're in nature like there's just a number of ways that could be dangerous number of ways that could be dangerous number of ways that could be dangerous but that's the whole point of but that's the whole point of but that's the whole point of doing all this for me especially doing all this for me especially doing all this for me especially you know now that i'm getting into this you know now that i'm getting into this you know now that i'm getting into this professionally and coaching and things professionally and coaching and things professionally and coaching and things like that is to keep in mind that like that is to keep in mind that like that is to keep in mind that element of safety right like go with
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element of safety right like go with element of safety right like go with friends make it a community aspect friends make it a community aspect friends make it a community aspect especially when you're out in nature especially when you're out in nature especially when you're out in nature when you're in a frozen lake when you're in a frozen lake when you're in a frozen lake there's ice involved like definitely be there's ice involved like definitely be there's ice involved like definitely be smart about this and do it in a safe way smart about this and do it in a safe way smart about this and do it in a safe way and and educate yourself and and educate yourself and and educate yourself and don't just like go in and and get and don't just like go in and and get and don't just like go in and and get videos for instagram and like try to be videos for instagram and like try to be videos for instagram and like try to be cool looking and everything like i'm all cool looking and everything like i'm all cool looking and everything like i'm all about safety first for sure and and about safety first for sure and and about safety first for sure and and you know keeping your ego in check you you know keeping your ego in check you you know keeping your ego in check you know when your hands and your feet are know when your hands and your feet are know when your hands and your feet are hurting it's okay to get out you know hurting it's okay to get out you know hurting it's okay to get out you know you don't have to totally you don't have you don't have to totally you don't have you don't have to totally you don't have to stay in there and endure that to stay in there and endure that to stay in there and endure that yeah that's a really good point i i yeah that's a really good point i i yeah that's a really good point i i actually went up to uh actually went up to uh actually went up to uh it was in wisconsin i was hired to lead it was in wisconsin i was hired to lead it was in wisconsin i was hired to lead breathwork for this company retreat they breathwork for this company retreat they breathwork for this company retreat they had a log cabin that they rented out had a log cabin that they rented out had a log cabin that they rented out they had like 20 of their employees come they had like 20 of their employees come they had like 20 of their employees come for the weekend for the weekend for the weekend so i had lead breath work and then there so i had lead breath work and then there so i had lead breath work and then there was an ice there's a frozen pond in the was an ice there's a frozen pond in the was an ice there's a frozen pond in the in the back you know in the yard space in the back you know in the yard space in the back you know in the yard space there there there and some of those guys were like really and some of those guys were like really and some of those guys were like really good at it like they were actually much good at it like they were actually much good at it like they were actually much more experienced with it than i realized more experienced with it than i realized more experienced with it than i realized and they were going in for like 10 12 and they were going in for like 10 12 and they were going in for like 10 12 minutes 15 minutes
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minutes 15 minutes minutes 15 minutes and then a few of the others were like i and then a few of the others were like i and then a few of the others were like i don't think i want to do that and i'm don't think i want to do that and i'm don't think i want to do that and i'm like don't like this is not a like don't like this is not a like don't like this is not a competition and i even went in for like competition and i even went in for like competition and i even went in for like three minutes tops because it was really three minutes tops because it was really three minutes tops because it was really really cold and to your point like it's really cold and to your point like it's really cold and to your point like it's it's an ego check like this doesn't have it's an ego check like this doesn't have it's an ego check like this doesn't have to be a competition it doesn't have to to be a competition it doesn't have to to be a competition it doesn't have to be who's better who's stronger who can be who's better who's stronger who can be who's better who's stronger who can stay in longer yeah it's about getting stay in longer yeah it's about getting stay in longer yeah it's about getting the minimum effective dose which is the minimum effective dose which is the minimum effective dose which is about a minute and a half to two minutes about a minute and a half to two minutes about a minute and a half to two minutes and and that's all you need right like i and and that's all you need right like i and and that's all you need right like i don't want to overdo it i don't want to don't want to overdo it i don't want to don't want to overdo it i don't want to become overly become overly become overly tolerant to this because i want it to be tolerant to this because i want it to be tolerant to this because i want it to be a lifelong practice where i can do it a lifelong practice where i can do it a lifelong practice where i can do it throughout my week and throughout my my throughout my week and throughout my my throughout my week and throughout my my days and my years and my life see that's days and my years and my life see that's days and my years and my life see that's that's the one thing about the cryo that's the one thing about the cryo that's the one thing about the cryo chamber that really chamber that really chamber that really i guess gets me i guess gets me i guess gets me is when i go into water my hands and my is when i go into water my hands and my is when i go into water my hands and my feet dictate when i get out feet dictate when i get out feet dictate when i get out right yeah when i go into the cryo right yeah when i go into the cryo right yeah when i go into the cryo chamber good point you wear gloves and chamber good point you wear gloves and chamber good point you wear gloves and you wear like booties on your feet you wear like booties on your feet you wear like booties on your feet because it's so cold in there like it because it's so cold in there like it because it's so cold in there like it will will will literally hurt them literally hurt them literally hurt them so it's interesting i i'll have to do a so it's interesting i i'll have to do a so it's interesting i i'll have to do a little more reading on it but like your
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little more reading on it but like your little more reading on it but like your body gets more exposure to colder body gets more exposure to colder body gets more exposure to colder temperatures because temperatures because temperatures because your hands are quite well protected in your hands are quite well protected in your hands are quite well protected in those little gloves those little gloves those little gloves yeah it's a really good point i don't yeah it's a really good point i don't yeah it's a really good point i don't know i that that's my thing like i can know i that that's my thing like i can know i that that's my thing like i can only stand only stand only stand the water as long as my feet can so the water as long as my feet can so the water as long as my feet can so when i do ice baths i actually like when i do ice baths i actually like when i do ice baths i actually like stick my feet out and just stick my feet out and just stick my feet out and just wow smart that's smart i keep my hands wow smart that's smart i keep my hands wow smart that's smart i keep my hands out usually i was gonna say a float and out usually i was gonna say a float and out usually i was gonna say a float and just put your hands and feet out why just put your hands and feet out why just put your hands and feet out why have i never thought of that before yeah have i never thought of that before yeah have i never thought of that before yeah i'm the same way those i mean for most i'm the same way those i mean for most i'm the same way those i mean for most people those are the first parts of your people those are the first parts of your people those are the first parts of your body that get the cold that are you know body that get the cold that are you know body that get the cold that are you know hurt the most when you're in the cold is hurt the most when you're in the cold is hurt the most when you're in the cold is your hands and your feet because the your hands and your feet because the your hands and your feet because the furthest away from your heart yeah um so furthest away from your heart yeah um so furthest away from your heart yeah um so i usually depending on how cold the i usually depending on how cold the i usually depending on how cold the water is when it's really really cold i water is when it's really really cold i water is when it's really really cold i usually have my hands out of the water usually have my hands out of the water usually have my hands out of the water just because it's like almost unbearable just because it's like almost unbearable just because it's like almost unbearable yeah but i think that's also part of why yeah but i think that's also part of why yeah but i think that's also part of why i love doing it in i love doing it in i love doing it in natural water so much or just a natural water so much or just a natural water so much or just a ice bath in general ice bath in general ice bath in general is that you have this kind of is that you have this kind of is that you have this kind of signal you know it's a natural signal of signal you know it's a natural signal of signal you know it's a natural signal of saying like hey time's up and that saying like hey time's up and that saying like hey time's up and that usually comes from your hands and your
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usually comes from your hands and your usually comes from your hands and your feet feet feet speaking of time being up we've reached speaking of time being up we've reached speaking of time being up we've reached that point tell us about the the that point tell us about the the that point tell us about the the coaching that you do and where we can coaching that you do and where we can coaching that you do and where we can learn more about you your podcast and learn more about you your podcast and learn more about you your podcast and all the work you do yeah absolutely so i all the work you do yeah absolutely so i all the work you do yeah absolutely so i do breath work coaching that's one on do breath work coaching that's one on do breath work coaching that's one on one where i work with individuals mostly one where i work with individuals mostly one where i work with individuals mostly that are experiencing stress and that are experiencing stress and that are experiencing stress and overwhelm and overwhelm and overwhelm and burnout and anxiety you know people that burnout and anxiety you know people that burnout and anxiety you know people that are looking for a natural way to are looking for a natural way to are looking for a natural way to reset their day reset their nervous reset their day reset their nervous reset their day reset their nervous system to feel better to manage with system to feel better to manage with system to feel better to manage with there's so many things that we that we there's so many things that we that we there's so many things that we that we face on a day-to-day basis so i do face on a day-to-day basis so i do face on a day-to-day basis so i do one-on-one coaching and breath work i do one-on-one coaching and breath work i do one-on-one coaching and breath work i do group coaching as well group coaching as well group coaching as well locally i'm starting up breath work locally i'm starting up breath work locally i'm starting up breath work classes and then i also offer a classes and then i also offer a classes and then i also offer a one-on-one one-on-one one-on-one transformational coaching program that's transformational coaching program that's transformational coaching program that's a 12-week program again similar to a 12-week program again similar to a 12-week program again similar to people that are people that are people that are experiencing a lot of stress and anxiety experiencing a lot of stress and anxiety experiencing a lot of stress and anxiety and they want to and they want to and they want to look deeper into how they can make look deeper into how they can make look deeper into how they can make changes in their lives so we look at changes in their lives so we look at changes in their lives so we look at behavior change we look at mindset behavior change we look at mindset behavior change we look at mindset growth growth
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growth and emotional health and that's where i and emotional health and that's where i and emotional health and that's where i really really really love merging and bridging the two is love merging and bridging the two is love merging and bridging the two is bringing it back to our breath you know bringing it back to our breath you know bringing it back to our breath you know how can we use something like how can we use something like how can we use something like breath work and mindfulness and breath work and mindfulness and breath work and mindfulness and meditation meditation meditation to better manage our emotions whether to better manage our emotions whether to better manage our emotions whether that be that be that be anger or sadness or anger or sadness or anger or sadness or doubt doubt doubt uncertainty or you want to facilitate uncertainty or you want to facilitate uncertainty or you want to facilitate more happy emotions or good you know more happy emotions or good you know more happy emotions or good you know good emotions like like happiness and good emotions like like happiness and good emotions like like happiness and joy joy joy and bliss we look at all of that so and bliss we look at all of that so and bliss we look at all of that so that's the 12-week program uh they can that's the 12-week program uh they can that's the 12-week program uh they can learn more about me and my work at my learn more about me and my work at my learn more about me and my work at my website which is novanow.com that's website which is novanow.com that's website which is novanow.com that's n-o-v-a-n-o-w dot c-o n-o-v-a-n-o-w dot c-o n-o-v-a-n-o-w dot c-o and then i'm pretty active on instagram and then i'm pretty active on instagram and then i'm pretty active on instagram my handle is dan.vos my handle is dan.vos my handle is dan.vos and your podcast a new way of living we and your podcast a new way of living we and your podcast a new way of living we i'm not sure who's gonna release first i'm not sure who's gonna release first i'm not sure who's gonna release first but we will be guests on your show so but we will be guests on your show so but we will be guests on your show so we're really looking forward absolutely we're really looking forward absolutely we're really looking forward absolutely yeah so i'm really looking forward to yeah so i'm really looking forward to yeah so i'm really looking forward to that yeah thank you so much for your that yeah thank you so much for your that yeah thank you so much for your time today and uh i look forward to time today and uh i look forward to time today and uh i look forward to seeing where you go with this really seeing where you go with this really seeing where you go with this really appreciate it yes likewise thanks so appreciate it yes likewise thanks so appreciate it yes likewise thanks so much guys i appreciate it our thanks to
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much guys i appreciate it our thanks to much guys i appreciate it our thanks to dan voss again he's the founder of nova dan voss again he's the founder of nova dan voss again he's the founder of nova now mindset emotional health and breath now mindset emotional health and breath now mindset emotional health and breath work coaching he's also the host of the work coaching he's also the host of the work coaching he's also the host of the podcast a new way of living you can find podcast a new way of living you can find podcast a new way of living you can find links to him and all of his work in the links to him and all of his work in the links to him and all of his work in the show notes for this episode at show notes for this episode at show notes for this episode at thefedmast.com one of the things that thefedmast.com one of the things that thefedmast.com one of the things that really just kind of struck me as we were really just kind of struck me as we were really just kind of struck me as we were talking with dan talking with dan talking with dan i learned years ago like when my first i learned years ago like when my first i learned years ago like when my first yoga class was like oh i'm not really yoga class was like oh i'm not really yoga class was like oh i'm not really breathing okay breathing okay breathing okay we really do take for granted the fact we really do take for granted the fact we really do take for granted the fact that we are breathing right and it's that we are breathing right and it's that we are breathing right and it's just keeping us alive it's the bare just keeping us alive it's the bare just keeping us alive it's the bare minimum minimum minimum but like real breath work like but like real breath work like but like real breath work like disciplined guided disciplined guided disciplined guided breath work breath work breath work is so good for you like physically is so good for you like physically is so good for you like physically emotionally like our show is about emotionally like our show is about emotionally like our show is about physical emotional mental health physical emotional mental health physical emotional mental health that one thing hits all three of those that one thing hits all three of those that one thing hits all three of those buckets like it is just that good for buckets like it is just that good for buckets like it is just that good for you with everything that i have heard you with everything that i have heard you with everything that i have heard and have not yet experimented with and have not yet experimented with and have not yet experimented with myself with regard to psychedelics for myself with regard to psychedelics for myself with regard to psychedelics for emotional healing and all that emotional healing and all that emotional healing and all that my understanding my understanding my understanding is that breath work is as close as you is that breath work is as close as you is that breath work is as close as you can get without actually doing ayahuasca
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can get without actually doing ayahuasca can get without actually doing ayahuasca or mushrooms or whatever you're going to or mushrooms or whatever you're going to or mushrooms or whatever you're going to do so if that's something you're do so if that's something you're do so if that's something you're interested in if you're if you're interested in if you're if you're interested in if you're if you're hearing about all these studies and all hearing about all these studies and all hearing about all these studies and all these things and how these things and how these things and how using psychedelics can help you but using psychedelics can help you but using psychedelics can help you but you're maybe you're maybe you're maybe nervous this is an amazing place to nervous this is an amazing place to nervous this is an amazing place to start and i would highly recommend doing start and i would highly recommend doing start and i would highly recommend doing it with the facilitator i did have one it with the facilitator i did have one it with the facilitator i did have one experience where through a breath work experience where through a breath work experience where through a breath work session session session when it was over when it was over when it was over i was not back yet i was still off in i was not back yet i was still off in i was not back yet i was still off in the cosmos somewhere and i literally the cosmos somewhere and i literally the cosmos somewhere and i literally felt like i was floating and was upside felt like i was floating and was upside felt like i was floating and was upside down and the person had to sort of like down and the person had to sort of like down and the person had to sort of like bring me back into into reality or at bring me back into into reality or at bring me back into into reality or at least the shared reality whatever least the shared reality whatever least the shared reality whatever whatever this space is whatever this space is whatever this space is so so so if you can find like a guided one which if you can find like a guided one which if you can find like a guided one which is hard in a coveted world but i highly is hard in a coveted world but i highly is hard in a coveted world but i highly recommend getting a facilitator because recommend getting a facilitator because recommend getting a facilitator because it it will help you in case you do get it it will help you in case you do get it it will help you in case you do get trapped in the cosmos trapped in the cosmos trapped in the cosmos but once you get back from the cosmos but once you get back from the cosmos but once you get back from the cosmos cold therapy is good too cold therapy is good too cold therapy is good too it really sucks like i'm not gonna lie it really sucks like i'm not gonna lie it really sucks like i'm not gonna lie like like like if you haven't done it if you haven't done it if you haven't done it those first 30 seconds those first 30 seconds those first 30 seconds they will test your discipline for sure
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they will test your discipline for sure they will test your discipline for sure and i would say if you haven't done it and i would say if you haven't done it and i would say if you haven't done it 30 seconds might be a good you know down 30 seconds might be a good you know down 30 seconds might be a good you know down the road mark go 10 seconds do a 10 the road mark go 10 seconds do a 10 the road mark go 10 seconds do a 10 second cold shower then 15 then 20. second cold shower then 15 then 20. second cold shower then 15 then 20. it's rough man but it's rough man but it's rough man but if you can if you can if you can build up the build up the build up the mental toughness mental toughness mental toughness to get through that part to get through that part to get through that part and get to the good it's so good and get to the good it's so good and get to the good it's so good it's so it's just such a a release of it's so it's just such a a release of it's so it's just such a a release of control and and fear and anxiety control and and fear and anxiety control and and fear and anxiety when you can get to the part where your when you can get to the part where your when you can get to the part where your body just goes hey i'm all right this body just goes hey i'm all right this body just goes hey i'm all right this this actually feels good this actually feels good this actually feels good it is so healing i can't tell you how it is so healing i can't tell you how it is so healing i can't tell you how many times that i have i've been in the many times that i have i've been in the many times that i have i've been in the middle of a depression episode and just middle of a depression episode and just middle of a depression episode and just going and do that just tells my brain going and do that just tells my brain going and do that just tells my brain first it tells my brain hey dummy you're first it tells my brain hey dummy you're first it tells my brain hey dummy you're gonna die focus on this right now don't gonna die focus on this right now don't gonna die focus on this right now don't worry about all that from 10 years worry about all that from 10 years worry about all that from 10 years ago that you're probably still hanging ago that you're probably still hanging ago that you're probably still hanging on to try to not die right now on to try to not die right now on to try to not die right now and then after about a minute you're and then after about a minute you're and then after about a minute you're just like oh just like oh just like oh this this is kind of amazing this this is kind of amazing this this is kind of amazing and uh and it can just help you move and uh and it can just help you move and uh and it can just help you move past so much of that stuff
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past so much of that stuff past so much of that stuff yeah i've always applied it to like real yeah i've always applied it to like real yeah i've always applied it to like real world situations like the the world situations like the the world situations like the the the ability to get into the cold realize the ability to get into the cold realize the ability to get into the cold realize you're not dying and then accept it and you're not dying and then accept it and you're not dying and then accept it and be okay with it like applies to be okay with it like applies to be okay with it like applies to situations that you're in like if you situations that you're in like if you situations that you're in like if you can just think about can just think about can just think about the cold therapy when you're in a the cold therapy when you're in a the cold therapy when you're in a situation where situation where situation where you know your anxiety's getting you and you know your anxiety's getting you and you know your anxiety's getting you and you're you're not in a situation where you're you're not in a situation where you're you're not in a situation where you're going to die but you think you're you're going to die but you think you're you're going to die but you think you're going to going to going to right right right you know it like that practice actually you know it like that practice actually you know it like that practice actually applies to other situations in life and applies to other situations in life and applies to other situations in life and like dan said you know if we can throw like dan said you know if we can throw like dan said you know if we can throw in a disclaimer here don't combine the in a disclaimer here don't combine the in a disclaimer here don't combine the two don't combine your breath work and two don't combine your breath work and two don't combine your breath work and your water don't not smart you're gonna your water don't not smart you're gonna your water don't not smart you're gonna drown you're gonna die don't do that and drown you're gonna die don't do that and drown you're gonna die don't do that and it's not don't don't let ego drive this it's not don't don't let ego drive this it's not don't don't let ego drive this right don't stay in the water too long right don't stay in the water too long right don't stay in the water too long don't don't push through the pain don't don't push through the pain don't don't push through the pain because you are a tough guy and you can because you are a tough guy and you can because you are a tough guy and you can do four minutes and you only did three do four minutes and you only did three do four minutes and you only did three last time like last time like last time like just do what you need you don't you just do what you need you don't you just do what you need you don't you don't need to don't need to don't need to beat some milestone or beat somebody beat some milestone or beat somebody beat some milestone or beat somebody else it's not a competition it's just else it's not a competition it's just else it's not a competition it's just about taking better care of yourself all
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about taking better care of yourself all about taking better care of yourself all of this just builds discipline it of this just builds discipline it of this just builds discipline it requires discipline to get started but requires discipline to get started but requires discipline to get started but as you continue to go through it like as you continue to go through it like as you continue to go through it like your discipline muscle will will build your discipline muscle will will build your discipline muscle will will build and and and and again like it just applies elsewhere and again like it just applies elsewhere and again like it just applies elsewhere too like as long as you can build your too like as long as you can build your too like as long as you can build your discipline here and get through it discipline here and get through it discipline here and get through it you'll get through that work project a you'll get through that work project a you'll get through that work project a little bit better right you'll get little bit better right you'll get little bit better right you'll get through that home project a little bit through that home project a little bit through that home project a little bit better because every time you test that better because every time you test that better because every time you test that discipline discipline discipline it's going to get a little bit better it's going to get a little bit better it's going to get a little bit better well like we said every time you you do well like we said every time you you do well like we said every time you you do that it it's just more evidence that you that it it's just more evidence that you that it it's just more evidence that you can do those hard things and and can do those hard things and and can do those hard things and and overcome them overcome them overcome them see that's why i don't do hard things see that's why i don't do hard things see that's why i don't do hard things because i just don't want to like it's because i just don't want to like it's because i just don't want to like it's the laziness like if you do this one the laziness like if you do this one the laziness like if you do this one thing thing thing it'll snowball so don't do the thing and it'll snowball so don't do the thing and it'll snowball so don't do the thing and then you don't have to worry about doing then you don't have to worry about doing then you don't have to worry about doing the other thing that's that's the other the other thing that's that's the other the other thing that's that's the other way i or you could just do nothing that way i or you could just do nothing that way i or you could just do nothing that we just talked about for the last 45 we just talked about for the last 45 we just talked about for the last 45 minutes that's another option too so minutes that's another option too so minutes that's another option too so how's that working out for you so far how's that working out for you so far how's that working out for you so far so far so far so far it's kind of depressing it's kind of it's kind of depressing it's kind of it's kind of depressing it's kind of depressing depressing depressing all right well we do need to wrap things all right well we do need to wrap things all right well we do need to wrap things up there but don't let the conversation up there but don't let the conversation up there but don't let the conversation end there join us in our facebook group end there join us in our facebook group
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